Lucas Whaley I wouldn't think to go that direction after a snaffle.  The shanks a re a little long for me.  Although, if a person has good enough hands, he can use anything.😉

Flesh around the eye.

Lucas Whaley  just type in "speed control" in the search bar on the main page.   It'll fix you right up!😉

@lucaswhaley Fact!  Thanks for those kind words!

Lucas Whaley I tie the shanks together so my rope doesn't get between the shanks when I'm roping.  I need to put one on that other bit😁

Lucas Whaley Wow! Hard to believe it's been that long.  Thanks for keeping us updated.

Randy Moore I've had a few horses like yours over the years and that can be a frustrating habit.  The only thing that has helped me in the past is to jip them around until they relax before you put the saddle on.  And, when you do put the saddle on, don't pull the cinch very tight.  just tight enough so that your wood doesn't roll under his belly (a breast collar will help if you don't already use one).  After he's moved around a little, you can pull the cinch a little tighter and let him move again, etc.  Anyhow, just give him plenty of opportunity to move around before you pull that cinch tight.  I will say that a horse that has had this habit for a long time will probably never get over it.  At this point it's mostly going to be helping him through it every time you ride him.  If you can send me a video of the behavior I might be able to help a little more.  Sometimes it's something simple.

Aaron Olson Here's a video:

Aaron Olson Man, those old mares can be tough. Have you worked with just the lead rope in her mouth?  I mean, use it as a replacement for the bridle?  It works sometimes.  I'll see if I can make you a video.

Richard

Craig Ironside That's a tough one.  I guess it goes without saying that she doesn't have any speed control.  My guess is that she doesn't have much saddle time at least with someone competent.  I think the ES20 programs are just the thing.  You'll just have to start from the bottom and work your way up.  Keep me posted and let me know if I can help along the way.🙂